Bubbles

#1 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:43 am

So finished work and drove home and heard bubbling, popped the bonnet and the expansion bottle was bubbling away, took cap off and seems to the oil in the water.
Will the egr kit I'm looking for sort this or should I be shitting myself at the possible dreaded head


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RE: Bubbles

#2 by Lemmy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:51 am

The 2001 model shouldn't have the liquid cooled egr, so removing it won't make any difference to the bubbles. Sounds like you've got HGF. A veritable pain in the arse, but not really a problem to sort. On the plus side the pre FBW models like ours aren't knkw for head.cracking issues, so odds are its just the gasket.


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RE: Bubbles

#3 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:57 am

What's the HGF and how' do I fix it. Thanks for fast reply to


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RE: Bubbles

#4 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:57 am

What.... Is that head gasket failure?


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RE: Bubbles

#5 by Lemmy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:40 am

Yup.


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RE: Bubbles

#6 by Tony2chins , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:07 am

Yeah your head gasket is shot


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RE: Bubbles

#7 by ronniecabers , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:29 am

Yep...agree Head gasket.....loads and loads of advice on here......Whatever you do ( yourself or garage), make sure its a Metal Gasket , and new headbolts ( both from Milners ), make sure bolt holes are cleaned out, and peice of mind change the waterpump at the same time and the bottom pulley. First time took my local garage a week to do head , clutch and bottom pulley, and they F*cked it up, so I re did it, took me a weekend , finding I had the wrong bolts from Milners along the way so had to reuse the old stretch bolts (NOT a very good idea), so had to re do it yet again, but only took a day. It really isn't a hard job, if you have tools, worst part is always getting the bottom pulley off!


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RE: Bubbles

#8 by robert3040 , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:35 am

I've had bubbles in my ex tank past 3years since I bought my truck but no oil so I think I'm just drawing air in somewhere.If it's just started and you have defo got oil it will be the gasket just make sure you've got oil in the water 1st if not you've just started on what I've got,air being drawing in.


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RE: Bubbles

#9 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:37 am

Defo oil in the water


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RE: Bubbles

#10 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:25 am

The water pump and pulley absolutely necessary, can't afford them yet


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RE: Bubbles

#11 by fatboy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:07 pm

To change the water pump you have to remove all the belts. If the belts are off for another job it is worth changing it, should only take 10 minutes. Bottom pulley is prone to delaminating so should be considered as a service part, along with the tensioners when doing the cam belt.


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RE: Bubbles

#12 by paulw , Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:19 pm

Good luck, all the symptom's of head gasket. Hope it doesn't cost you as much as me. threw nearly 3 grand at the prob ended up selling once fixed


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RE: Bubbles

#13 by Lemmy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:46 pm

3 big ones on a head gasket? And then why sell it once its properly mended?


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RE: Bubbles

#14 by dazmanf , Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:48 pm


2003 warrior RIP Monday 10th February 2014
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RE: Bubbles

#15 by cackhanded , Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:52 pm

dazmanf, i recently had issues with overheating and bubbles in my header tank (no oil though), i was told by a garage i took it to that my head gasket had gone. Fortunately i had the engine gas tested before parting with £600 notes for a head replacement, which proved the gasket was fine and it turned out my thermostat was the problem.So my advice to you would be to get the engine tested first before ordering parts and losing big bucks. Good luck mate i hope it turns out to be something cheap.


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RE: Bubbles

#16 by Lemmy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:58 pm

The oil in his coolant is the give away. The only interface where they can cross is the head mating surface.


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#17 by Greigboy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:19 pm

Sounds like HGF, oil in the water reinforces this but even without the oil its still likely to be HGF or a cracked head, if your getting bubbles in the exp bottle its not drawing air, its the coolant being pressurised by exhaust gasses.
Happened to my pre FBW and it was just the gasket but the head needed skimmed, please don't Altima on a pressure test and skim, its a false economy




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RE: Bubbles

#18 by paulw , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:19 pm

Quote: Lemmy wrote in post #13
3 big ones on a head gasket? And then why sell it once its properly mended?

Too long a story to quote, but ended up new head, three camshafts two sets of rockers, oil pump, gave up and lost confidence sadly. bought from new and was intended to keep it till I dropped. Not to be


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#19 by Greigboy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:21 pm

Quote: Greigboy wrote in post #17
Sounds like HGF, oil in the water reinforces this but even without the oil its still likely to be HGF or a cracked head, if your getting bubbles in the exp bottle its not drawing air, its the coolant being pressurised by exhaust gasses.
Happened to my pre FBW and it was just the gasket but the head needed skimmed, please don't Altima on a pressure test and skim, its a false economy


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RE: Bubbles

#20 by Lemmy , Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:16 pm

And when it's fixed use 50/50 coolant/water and change it every 2 years/18k miles to stop it happening again. All but the last classics have tiny service intervals and very few have been serviced scrupulously over the last 10-15 years (mine was, that's why I bought the 4th one I looked at and not the first)


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#21 by paulw , Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:15 pm

mine was serviced on the dot, smallest fault was done, it was my pride and joy, coming from north devon with caravan on tow, it decided to give up on Barnstaple bypass, managed to limp home to surrey, perhaps not a good idea in hindsight


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RE: Bubbles

#22 by Lemmy , Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:18 am

Yeah, first sign of HGF park it up til it's fixed. So easy to permanently cook and engine and screw it.

Dumb blonde I know, hgf went in her X3, temp gauge went up. She stopped, let it cool, continued on. Repeated this process several times.

Went to the dealers and her efforts had put the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of mile of wear on the motor. It got fixed by rattled like Jimmy Saviles pocket change and smoked like Peter O'Toole on a bender. Best bit - BMW wouldn't pay for a new engine under warranty because she'd cooked it under her own efforts instead of calling (the free) BMW assistance line and getting towed in.

Sounds like you had bad luck Paul. HGs can fail because of faulty manufacture, something wrong with the original gasket or block/head casting, and In would guess you were unfortunate enough to end up with one of these. However, most go pop because of poor maintenance at some time in their life. While coolant maintains its anti freeze properties with age it quickly loses its anti corrosion properties, and there's not much that more corrosive than hot water under pressure. You can bet that a most classics with their 4.5 k service intervals will not have been done on time, every time, and this.is what buggers things up the bulk of the time.


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RE: Bubbles

#23 by Lemmy , Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:39 pm

Michael Jackson used to blow bubbles...


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